I have recently purchased a new M3, what petrol do you recommend using
unleaded or super unleaded (I am based in the UK)?
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July 22, 2010
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In article <c9h6gs$8s…@sparta.btinternet.com>,
Andrew Wright <Andrewwri…@btinternet.com> wrote:
> I have recently purchased a new M3, what petrol do you recommend using
> unleaded or super unleaded (I am based in the UK)?
It tells you the minimum octane rating inside the filler. Individual petrol
octane ratings are stated on the pump. If, like other UK BMWs it can be run
on Premium unleaded, then do so until run in, then try it on Super. If you
can feel any extra performance, then it’s up to you if the cost difference
is worth it.
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*Many people quit looking for work when they find a job *
Dave Plowman dave.so…@argonet.co.uk London SW 12
RIP Acorn
Comment by admin — July 22, 2010 @ 5:39 am
super duper
"Dave Plowman" <dave.so…@argonet.co.uk> wrote in message
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> In article <c9h6gs$8s…@sparta.btinternet.com>,
> Andrew Wright <Andrewwri…@btinternet.com> wrote:
> > I have recently purchased a new M3, what petrol do you recommend using
> > unleaded or super unleaded (I am based in the UK)?
> It tells you the minimum octane rating inside the filler. Individual
petrol
> octane ratings are stated on the pump. If, like other UK BMWs it can be
run
> on Premium unleaded, then do so until run in, then try it on Super. If you
> can feel any extra performance, then it’s up to you if the cost difference
> is worth it.
> —
> *Many people quit looking for work when they find a job *
> Dave Plowman dave.so…@argonet.co.uk London SW 12
> RIP Acorn
Comment by admin — July 22, 2010 @ 5:39 am
Shell Optimax, you’ve never seen an engine as clean!
"Abs" <Hany…@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> super duper
> "Dave Plowman" <dave.so…@argonet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:4cb8212e1fdave.sound@argonet.co.uk…
> > In article <c9h6gs$8s…@sparta.btinternet.com>,
> > Andrew Wright <Andrewwri…@btinternet.com> wrote:
> > > I have recently purchased a new M3, what petrol do you recommend using
> > > unleaded or super unleaded (I am based in the UK)?
> > It tells you the minimum octane rating inside the filler. Individual
> petrol
> > octane ratings are stated on the pump. If, like other UK BMWs it can be
> run
> > on Premium unleaded, then do so until run in, then try it on Super. If
you
> > can feel any extra performance, then it’s up to you if the cost
difference
> > is worth it.
> > —
> > *Many people quit looking for work when they find a job *
> > Dave Plowman dave.so…@argonet.co.uk London SW 12
> > RIP Acorn
Comment by admin — July 22, 2010 @ 5:39 am
I tried Shell Optimax a couple of times (on my 3.2 l car) on basis of
performance claims but, of course, I could not tell the difference, maybe
because I try not to drive with a lead foot.
Shell does make these other claims — it seems they are genuine, but how did
you tell?
DAS
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"Daz N" <darren(AT)clara.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Shell Optimax, you’ve never seen an engine as clean!
> "Abs" <Hany…@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:40bc47d4$0$31677$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au…
> > super duper
> > "Dave Plowman" <dave.so…@argonet.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:4cb8212e1fdave.sound@argonet.co.uk…
> > > In article <c9h6gs$8s…@sparta.btinternet.com>,
> > > Andrew Wright <Andrewwri…@btinternet.com> wrote:
> > > > I have recently purchased a new M3, what petrol do you recommend
using
> > > > unleaded or super unleaded (I am based in the UK)?
> > > It tells you the minimum octane rating inside the filler. Individual
> > petrol
> > > octane ratings are stated on the pump. If, like other UK BMWs it can
be
> > run
> > > on Premium unleaded, then do so until run in, then try it on Super. If
> you
> > > can feel any extra performance, then it’s up to you if the cost
> difference
> > > is worth it.
> > > —
> > > *Many people quit looking for work when they find a job *
> > > Dave Plowman dave.so…@argonet.co.uk London SW 12
> > > RIP Acorn
Comment by admin — July 22, 2010 @ 5:39 am
In article <40bf3821$0$25329$cc9e4…@news-text.dial.pipex.com>,
Dori A Schmetterling <n…@nospam.co.uk> wrote:
> I tried Shell Optimax a couple of times (on my 3.2 l car) on basis of
> performance claims but, of course, I could not tell the difference,
> maybe because I try not to drive with a lead foot.
> Shell does make these other claims — it seems they are genuine, but how
> did you tell?
I drive from London to Aberdeen (roughly 550 miles) about twice a year and
in one hop – apart from a stop for refreshments and fuel, and always try
97 octane one way and 95 the other. And in my E39 528 with OBC, I really
can’t say there’s any repeatable difference in either performance or
economy – although an educated guess says the MPG is slightly better.
On my other car, which was designed for 98 octane unleaded, the 97/8
unleaded really does make a difference over 95. But it dates from before
the days of knock sensors.
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Dave Plowman dave.so…@argonet.co.uk London SW 12
RIP Acorn
Comment by admin — July 22, 2010 @ 5:39 am
Well, I suppose I would expect an effect if using less-than-recommended
octane if the engine is designed for the higher octane, esp an older engine.
Most engines are now set for 95 (international), are they not?
DAS
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"Dave Plowman" <dave.so…@argonet.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On my other car, which was designed for 98 octane unleaded, the 97/8
> unleaded really does make a difference over 95. But it dates from before
> the days of knock sensors.
> —
> *All generalizations are false.
> Dave Plowman dave.so…@argonet.co.uk London SW 12
> RIP Acorn
Comment by admin — July 22, 2010 @ 5:39 am
In article <40bf9986$0$20513$cc9e4…@news-text.dial.pipex.com>,
Dori A Schmetterling <n…@nospam.co.uk> wrote:
> Well, I suppose I would expect an effect if using less-than-recommended
> octane if the engine is designed for the higher octane, esp an older
> engine.
Indeed.
> Most engines are now set for 95 (international), are they not?
Many will adapt, but I’d guess there is both an upper limit where no
improvement is noticable and a lower one where damage is possible.
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*There are two kinds of pedestrians… the quick and the dead.
Dave Plowman dave.so…@argonet.co.uk London SW 12
RIP Acorn
Comment by admin — July 22, 2010 @ 5:39 am
Dave Plowman <dave.so…@argonet.co.uk> wrote
> In article <40bf3821$0$25329$cc9e4…@news-text.dial.pipex.com>,
> Dori A Schmetterling <n…@nospam.co.uk> wrote:
8<
>> I tried Shell Optimax a couple of times (on my 3.2 l car) on basis of
8<
> On my other car, which was designed for 98 octane
> unleaded, the 97/8 unleaded really does make a difference over 95. But
> it dates from before the days of knock sensors.
What’s your other car?
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Firestorm
Comment by admin — July 22, 2010 @ 5:39 am
Dave Plowman <dave.so…@argonet.co.uk> wrote in
news:4cb8212e1fdave.sound@argonet.co.uk:
> In article <c9h6gs$8s…@sparta.btinternet.com>,
> Andrew Wright <Andrewwri…@btinternet.com> wrote:
>> I have recently purchased a new M3, what petrol do you recommend
>> using unleaded or super unleaded (I am based in the UK)?
> It tells you the minimum octane rating inside the filler. Individual
> petrol octane ratings are stated on the pump. If, like other UK BMWs
> it can be run on Premium unleaded, then do so until run in, then try
> it on Super. If you can feel any extra performance, then it’s up to
> you if the cost difference is worth it.
Your gas prices here in Europe are outrageous! How can anyone afford to
drive?
Comment by admin — July 22, 2010 @ 5:39 am
In article <Xns9507B3DD088B9nospamwinggy96net…@62.153.159.134>,
Wingman <nospamwingg…@netzero.net> wrote:
> Your gas prices here in Europe are outrageous! How can anyone afford to
> drive?
We use the money we’ve saved through not having to pay for health
insurance…
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*A person who smiles in the face of adversity probably has a scapegoat *
Dave Plowman dave.so…@argonet.co.uk London SW 12
RIP Acorn
Comment by admin — July 22, 2010 @ 5:39 am
Dave Plowman <dave.so…@argonet.co.uk> wrote in
news:4cbe7916eddave.sound@argonet.co.uk:
> In article <Xns9507B3DD088B9nospamwinggy96net…@62.153.159.134>,
> Wingman <nospamwingg…@netzero.net> wrote:
>> Your gas prices here in Europe are outrageous! How can anyone afford
>> to drive?
> We use the money we’ve saved through not having to pay for health
> insurance…
Hmmm, an interesting response. Obviously, that’s a political plug, but
it still doesn’t make sense. As I understand it, the high taxes you pay,
pays for someone else’s health care? One of the problems with socalized
health care, I suppose. Still, 16% VAT sales tax huts a bit.
All I was trying to say was that the fuel prices seem to make it
prohibitively expensive to drive. Oh yeah, and the tolls in France are
positively annoying!
Comment by admin — July 22, 2010 @ 5:39 am
On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 17:00:12 +0100, Dave Plowman
<dave.so…@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <Xns9507B3DD088B9nospamwinggy96net…@62.153.159.134>,
> Wingman <nospamwingg…@netzero.net> wrote:
>> Your gas prices here in Europe are outrageous! How can anyone afford to
>> drive?
>We use the money we’ve saved through not having to pay for health
>insurance…
yeah, you wish. Not if you make above poverty level money.
Remove NO-SPAM from email address when replying
Comment by admin — July 22, 2010 @ 5:39 am
In article <Xns950890BA244Dnospamwinggy96net…@62.153.159.134>,
Wingman <nospamwingg…@netzero.net> wrote:
> >> Your gas prices here in Europe are outrageous! How can anyone afford
> >> to drive?
> > We use the money we’ve saved through not having to pay for health
> > insurance…
> Hmmm, an interesting response. Obviously, that’s a political plug,
And yours had nothing to do with politics?
> but it still doesn’t make sense. As I understand it, the high taxes you
> pay, pays for someone else’s health care?
Err, and your own. And families.
> One of the problems with socalized health care, I suppose.
Many would think that health care available to all regardless of their
income (or health record) isn’t a problem, but a virtue.
> Still, 16% VAT sales tax huts a bit.
> All I was trying to say was that the fuel prices seem to make it
> prohibitively expensive to drive. Oh yeah, and the tolls in France are
> positively annoying!
I rarely pay them. I’m on holiday when I visit France, and the non
motorway roads which are free are far more fun and interesting.
–
*If all the world is a stage, where is the audience sitting?
Dave Plowman dave.so…@argonet.co.uk London SW 12
RIP Acorn
Comment by admin — July 22, 2010 @ 5:39 am
In article <g9qpc0pdc3u5v8ba6drqu3qnqs41pv0…@4ax.com>,
Rein <rruiterNO-S…@NO-SPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
> >> Your gas prices here in Europe are outrageous! How can anyone afford
> >> to drive?
> >We use the money we’ve saved through not having to pay for health
> >insurance…
> yeah, you wish. Not if you make above poverty level money.
I’m hardly on the breadline, and I don’t have private health insurance.
The only time I’ve needed medical attention recently was with back
problems, and I had superb care – I can’t imagine ‘private’ being any
better.
–
*Corduroy pillows are making headlines.
Dave Plowman dave.so…@argonet.co.uk London SW 12
RIP Acorn
Comment by admin — July 22, 2010 @ 5:39 am
Petrol prices in Europe have been more than double North American prices for
decades, if not longer.
It’s just a different approach to raising taxes. Initially the revenue
from fuel was supposed to fund better roads, but this goal was abandoned
years ago in all European countries for a variety of reasons and the revenue
has exceeded road expenditure for a long time.
It may become an acute poltical issue if taxes rise further and recently the
UK govt has been forced to review its planned September 2 pence per litre
tax increase in the face of rising petrol prices, but I doubt few people
actively care about (would lobby for) petrol prices at US levels. It is
politically a waste of time in the face of various lobby groups.
You can this see that Dave Plowman’s response about healthcare is not
particularly "interesting" as it reflects widely held views. Like I said,
most of us would love to see lower fuel taxes, but nobody would want a
severe reduction if key areas of government expenditure would suffer big
decreases.
Driving in Europe is not "prohibitively" expensive as fuel costs are only
one aspect. If you buy a car new the depreciation is by far the greatest
cost, even if you buy a relatively low-depreciating car. If you buy used,
obviously fuel is more important. But do a calculation: At the UK average
of 12 000 miles per year, how many dollars diff does, say USD per Imp gallon
make? High mileage users often get company or business help.
Plus, yes, we do drive more economical cars. I am not aware of any European
state, however, resorting to strange and distorting, California-style fleet
average mpgs. And that is why diesel is rising in popularity in anti-diesel
Britain where there is no price advantage, and why even big cars sold to
‘wealthy’ people are available with diesel engines and sell well, such as
the BMW 530d and the Merc S320 CDi.
I drive mainly a 3.2 l car. I get ‘only’ 26 – 28 mpg (Imperial) on open
roads but on average much less as it is automatic and I drive around a big
city at 3 mph…. But I don’t care much because I do only 5K miles p.a. and
the car I have is (not yet) available with a diesel engine. If I did more I
might well consider a diesel vehicle.
DAS
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"Rein" <rruiterNO-S…@NO-SPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 17:00:12 +0100, Dave Plowman
> <dave.so…@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> >In article <Xns9507B3DD088B9nospamwinggy96net…@62.153.159.134>,
> > Wingman <nospamwingg…@netzero.net> wrote:
> >> Your gas prices here in Europe are outrageous! How can anyone afford to
> >> drive?
> >We use the money we’ve saved through not having to pay for health
> >insurance…
> yeah, you wish. Not if you make above poverty level money.
> Remove NO-SPAM from email address when replying
Comment by admin — July 22, 2010 @ 5:39 am
Dave Plowman wrote:
> I’m hardly on the breadline, and I don’t have private health insurance.
> The only time I’ve needed medical attention recently was with back
> problems, and I had superb care – I can’t imagine ‘private’ being any
> better.
A relative had a hernia op recently and was given the choice of NHS or
private. As the Consultant said, "whichever way you choose I’ll be doing
the operation." The difference was in a choice of a huge waiting list
(18 months IIRC) or a "huge" bill (I’d consider £3k well spent and not
prohibitive hence the quote marks.)
–
Scott
Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?
Comment by admin — July 22, 2010 @ 5:39 am
Coming form the Peoples republic of the Netherlands let me tell you;
First of all, sales tax is 19 or 20%..
on top of that, there’s another 20% or so in a "special tax" on cars.
So, the M3 you buy for $53K (that’s with tax) would cost no less than
80+K Euro in the Netherlands.
Add to that the $5 a gallon for petrol..
On top of that you end up handing over half your salary to big brother
when you make about $50K in income. Little less if you own a home but
still…On top of that, you also need to get your own health insurance
when you make that much. Not cheap.
Then we have road tax, ouch. Then, you go out shopping and want to
park your car… These days you have to pay EVERYWHERE.
Yeah, the car is used as a milk cow. Big brother says "If you drive
anything bigger than a suzuki Swift, we’re going to nail you good."
I’m not even going to discuss where all the money is going…
The cold war is over, and guess who really won……..
On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 19:52:39 +0100, "Dori A Schmetterling"
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<n…@nospam.co.uk> wrote:
>Petrol prices in Europe have been more than double North American prices for
>decades, if not longer.
>It’s just a different approach to raising taxes. Initially the revenue
>from fuel was supposed to fund better roads, but this goal was abandoned
>years ago in all European countries for a variety of reasons and the revenue
>has exceeded road expenditure for a long time.
>It may become an acute poltical issue if taxes rise further and recently the
>UK govt has been forced to review its planned September 2 pence per litre
>tax increase in the face of rising petrol prices, but I doubt few people
>actively care about (would lobby for) petrol prices at US levels. It is
>politically a waste of time in the face of various lobby groups.
>You can this see that Dave Plowman’s response about healthcare is not
>particularly "interesting" as it reflects widely held views. Like I said,
>most of us would love to see lower fuel taxes, but nobody would want a
>severe reduction if key areas of government expenditure would suffer big
>decreases.
>Driving in Europe is not "prohibitively" expensive as fuel costs are only
>one aspect. If you buy a car new the depreciation is by far the greatest
>cost, even if you buy a relatively low-depreciating car. If you buy used,
>obviously fuel is more important. But do a calculation: At the UK average
>of 12 000 miles per year, how many dollars diff does, say USD per Imp gallon
>make? High mileage users often get company or business help.
>Plus, yes, we do drive more economical cars. I am not aware of any European
>state, however, resorting to strange and distorting, California-style fleet
>average mpgs. And that is why diesel is rising in popularity in anti-diesel
>Britain where there is no price advantage, and why even big cars sold to
>’wealthy’ people are available with diesel engines and sell well, such as
>the BMW 530d and the Merc S320 CDi.
>I drive mainly a 3.2 l car. I get ‘only’ 26 – 28 mpg (Imperial) on open
>roads but on average much less as it is automatic and I drive around a big
>city at 3 mph…. But I don’t care much because I do only 5K miles p.a. and
>the car I have is (not yet) available with a diesel engine. If I did more I
>might well consider a diesel vehicle.
>DAS
>—
>For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling
>—
>"Rein" <rruiterNO-S…@NO-SPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:g9qpc0pdc3u5v8ba6drqu3qnqs41pv01i4@4ax.com…
>> On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 17:00:12 +0100, Dave Plowman
>> <dave.so…@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
>> >In article <Xns9507B3DD088B9nospamwinggy96net…@62.153.159.134>,
>> > Wingman <nospamwingg…@netzero.net> wrote:
>> >> Your gas prices here in Europe are outrageous! How can anyone afford to
>> >> drive?
>> >We use the money we’ve saved through not having to pay for health
>> >insurance…
>> yeah, you wish. Not if you make above poverty level money.
>> Remove NO-SPAM from email address when replying
Remove NO-SPAM from email address when replying
Comment by admin — July 22, 2010 @ 5:39 am