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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 08:23:15 +0000</pubDate>
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  &lt;p&gt;&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; Excelent post. &#160;Thanks much for the info! &#160;I will head out &lt;br /&gt; this weekend and tackle this annoying problem. &#160; &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;db &lt;br /&gt; On Fri, 13 Mar 1998 20:24:51 +0000, Barry Hodgetts &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -&lt;/p&gt;&lt;arkend...@demon.co.uk&gt; wrote: &lt;br /&gt; &gt;The brake light switch has two cables out. One to the Test button unit &lt;br /&gt; &gt;And one to the &quot;Circuit test switching unit&quot; located at rear of car near &lt;br /&gt; &gt;Left light cluster. These cables are green/red. The other clue is the &lt;br /&gt; &gt;Number 54 on the terminal plugs, which is the code for brake lights &lt;br /&gt; &gt;Circuits. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;p&gt;&gt;When you turn on the ignition the brake fail led comes on and only goes &lt;br /&gt; &gt;out when the brakes are first applied if they are both working. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt;The other cable that looks interesting would be the green black from the &lt;br /&gt; &gt;&quot;Circuit test switching unit&quot; to the &quot;test button unit&quot;.Ref 54KL &lt;br /&gt; &gt;I have not checked this but I guess this will change state when the &lt;br /&gt; &gt;Brake lights are illuminated. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt;The fault would be a break in this cable or a fault on one of the units. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt;My only experience was a broken track on the Test button unit causing an &lt;br /&gt; &gt;Intermittent fault stopping the flasher working. Easily fixed once &lt;br /&gt; &gt;Located. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt;ba...@arkendale.demon.co.uk &lt;br /&gt; &gt;Barry Hodgetts &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;
  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Excelent post. &nbsp;Thanks much for the info! &nbsp;I will head out <br /> this weekend and tackle this annoying problem. &nbsp;  </p>
<p>db <br /> On Fri, 13 Mar 1998 20:24:51 +0000, Barry Hodgetts  </p>
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<p>&lt;arkend&#8230;@demon.co.uk&gt; wrote: <br /> &gt;The brake light switch has two cables out. One to the Test button unit <br /> &gt;And one to the &quot;Circuit test switching unit&quot; located at rear of car near <br /> &gt;Left light cluster. These cables are green/red. The other clue is the <br /> &gt;Number 54 on the terminal plugs, which is the code for brake lights <br /> &gt;Circuits. <br /> 
<p>&gt;When you turn on the ignition the brake fail led comes on and only goes <br /> &gt;out when the brakes are first applied if they are both working.  </p>
<p>&gt;The other cable that looks interesting would be the green black from the <br /> &gt;&quot;Circuit test switching unit&quot; to the &quot;test button unit&quot;.Ref 54KL <br /> &gt;I have not checked this but I guess this will change state when the <br /> &gt;Brake lights are illuminated.  </p>
<p>&gt;The fault would be a break in this cable or a fault on one of the units.  </p>
<p>&gt;My only experience was a broken track on the Test button unit causing an <br /> &gt;Intermittent fault stopping the flasher working. Easily fixed once <br /> &gt;Located.  </p>
<p>&gt;ba&#8230;@arkendale.demon.co.uk <br /> &gt;Barry Hodgetts </p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 08:23:14 +0000</pubDate>
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  &lt;p&gt;In article &lt;34ff5851.53879...@nntp.cntfl.com&gt;, Denis Bradly Burns &lt;br /&gt; &lt;dbu...@talstar.com&gt; writes &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -&lt;/p&gt;&gt; &#160; &#160; &#160; I have had an 84 533i for about 3 months now and have thus-far &lt;br /&gt; &gt;enjoyed the car very much, but I have a question. &#160;Since I got the &lt;br /&gt; &gt;car, the brake lamp warning LED in the overhead panel comes on as soon &lt;br /&gt; &gt;as I start the car, and will not reset. &#160;I have not thought that much &lt;br /&gt; &gt;of it (it has become standard for me to hit the &#039;test&#039; button to &lt;br /&gt; &gt;silence the dash flasher as soon as I start the car). &lt;br /&gt; &gt; &#160; &#160; &#160; Then today a headlamp burned out (follow me with this for a &lt;br /&gt; &gt;second...) and I discovered that when you fix a problem, the LED &lt;br /&gt; &gt;*does* in fact go out and not return! &#160;(imagine my suprise!&lt;G&gt;) &lt;br /&gt; &gt;Anyway, my brake lights are working fine, all contacts polished and &lt;br /&gt; &gt;greased. &#160;I have measured the resistance across both bulbs (ie. from &lt;br /&gt; &gt;plate to plate=&lt;5ohms). &#160; &lt;br /&gt; &gt; &#160; &#160; &#160; I am looking for anyone who may have wiring diags. or &lt;br /&gt; &gt;information that could tell me how the diag. board senses for the &lt;br /&gt; &gt;problem. &#160;I assume that I have a wiring problem here and am open to &lt;br /&gt; &gt;all sugestions. &#160;Thanx! &lt;br /&gt; &gt; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; db &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;The brake light switch has two cables out. One to the Test button unit &lt;br /&gt; And one to the &quot;Circuit test switching unit&quot; located at rear of car near &lt;br /&gt; Left light cluster. These cables are green/red. The other clue is the &lt;br /&gt; Number 54 on the terminal plugs, which is the code for brake lights &lt;br /&gt; Circuits. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;p&gt;When you turn on the ignition the brake fail led comes on and only goes &lt;br /&gt; out when the brakes are first applied if they are both working. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The other cable that looks interesting would be the green black from the &lt;br /&gt; &quot;Circuit test switching unit&quot; to the &quot;test button unit&quot;.Ref 54KL &lt;br /&gt; I have not checked this but I guess this will change state when the &lt;br /&gt; Brake lights are illuminated. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The fault would be a break in this cable or a fault on one of the units. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;My only experience was a broken track on the Test button unit causing an &lt;br /&gt; Intermittent fault stopping the flasher working. Easily fixed once &lt;br /&gt; Located. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;ba...@arkendale.demon.co.uk &lt;br /&gt; Barry Hodgetts &lt;br /&gt;
  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In article &lt;34ff5851.53879&#8230;@nntp.cntfl.com&gt;, Denis Bradly Burns <br /> &lt;dbu&#8230;@talstar.com&gt; writes  </p>
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<p>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; I have had an 84 533i for about 3 months now and have thus-far <br /> &gt;enjoyed the car very much, but I have a question. &nbsp;Since I got the <br /> &gt;car, the brake lamp warning LED in the overhead panel comes on as soon <br /> &gt;as I start the car, and will not reset. &nbsp;I have not thought that much <br /> &gt;of it (it has become standard for me to hit the &#8216;test&#8217; button to <br /> &gt;silence the dash flasher as soon as I start the car). <br /> &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Then today a headlamp burned out (follow me with this for a <br /> &gt;second&#8230;) and I discovered that when you fix a problem, the LED <br /> &gt;*does* in fact go out and not return! &nbsp;(imagine my suprise!&lt;G&gt;) <br /> &gt;Anyway, my brake lights are working fine, all contacts polished and <br /> &gt;greased. &nbsp;I have measured the resistance across both bulbs (ie. from <br /> &gt;plate to plate=&lt;5ohms). &nbsp; <br /> &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; I am looking for anyone who may have wiring diags. or <br /> &gt;information that could tell me how the diag. board senses for the <br /> &gt;problem. &nbsp;I assume that I have a wiring problem here and am open to <br /> &gt;all sugestions. &nbsp;Thanx! <br /> &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; db </p>
<p>The brake light switch has two cables out. One to the Test button unit <br /> And one to the &quot;Circuit test switching unit&quot; located at rear of car near <br /> Left light cluster. These cables are green/red. The other clue is the <br /> Number 54 on the terminal plugs, which is the code for brake lights <br /> Circuits. <br /> 
<p>When you turn on the ignition the brake fail led comes on and only goes <br /> out when the brakes are first applied if they are both working.  </p>
<p>The other cable that looks interesting would be the green black from the <br /> &quot;Circuit test switching unit&quot; to the &quot;test button unit&quot;.Ref 54KL <br /> I have not checked this but I guess this will change state when the <br /> Brake lights are illuminated.  </p>
<p>The fault would be a break in this cable or a fault on one of the units.  </p>
<p>My only experience was a broken track on the Test button unit causing an <br /> Intermittent fault stopping the flasher working. Easily fixed once <br /> Located.  </p>
<p><a href="mailto:ba...@arkendale.demon.co.uk">ba&#8230;@arkendale.demon.co.uk</a> <br /> Barry Hodgetts </p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 08:23:13 +0000</pubDate>
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  &lt;p&gt;On Mon, 9 Mar 1998 09:02:11 -0500, &quot;Don Udel&quot; &lt;du...@att.com&gt; wrote: &lt;br /&gt; &gt;Ok, I may be able to help with this one.... &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt;I had a brake light indicator come on. &#160;Lifted the trunk and checked all &lt;br /&gt; &gt;brake lights. &#160;All were fine, but the dad gum brake light failure indicator &lt;br /&gt; &gt;still came on. &#160;Cleaned all contacts with no improvement. &#160;Turned out the be &lt;br /&gt; &gt;the high mounted (center mounted brake light on the package shelf) that was &lt;br /&gt; &gt;burned out. &#160;Did not see it for the longest time since the trunk lid was &lt;br /&gt; &gt;open for me to work on the &quot;real&quot; brake lights. &#160;Boy was my wife glad when &lt;br /&gt; &gt;that indicator light finally went out. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt;Moral: &#160;Check ALL your brake lights. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt;don &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; Good thought. &#160;My car doesn&#039;t have a third brake light, but I &lt;br /&gt; don&#039;t know if it originally did or not. &#160;The car may be searching for &lt;br /&gt; the third lamp, and not finding it. &#160;Hmmm.. What year is your model? &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;db &lt;br /&gt;
  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On Mon, 9 Mar 1998 09:02:11 -0500, &quot;Don Udel&quot; &lt;du&#8230;@att.com&gt; wrote: <br /> &gt;Ok, I may be able to help with this one&#8230;.  </p>
<p>&gt;I had a brake light indicator come on. &nbsp;Lifted the trunk and checked all <br /> &gt;brake lights. &nbsp;All were fine, but the dad gum brake light failure indicator <br /> &gt;still came on. &nbsp;Cleaned all contacts with no improvement. &nbsp;Turned out the be <br /> &gt;the high mounted (center mounted brake light on the package shelf) that was <br /> &gt;burned out. &nbsp;Did not see it for the longest time since the trunk lid was <br /> &gt;open for me to work on the &quot;real&quot; brake lights. &nbsp;Boy was my wife glad when <br /> &gt;that indicator light finally went out.  </p>
<p>&gt;Moral: &nbsp;Check ALL your brake lights.  </p>
<p>&gt;don </p>
<p>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Good thought. &nbsp;My car doesn&#8217;t have a third brake light, but I <br /> don&#8217;t know if it originally did or not. &nbsp;The car may be searching for <br /> the third lamp, and not finding it. &nbsp;Hmmm.. What year is your model?  </p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 08:23:12 +0000</pubDate>
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  &lt;p&gt;Denis, &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I too have an E28 (1987 535is). I may be mistaken, but it sounds like the &lt;br /&gt; brake sensor is indicating low brake pads. You may want to check them. Also, &lt;br /&gt; there is an E28 specific web page that might be able to help. I don&#039;t have &lt;br /&gt; the address, but there is another resource that I have found to be quite &lt;br /&gt; helpful. The address is http://www.bestweb.net/~bretta/brakes.html . Best of &lt;br /&gt; luck, and enjoy your beemer. CHEERS!! &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;If you wish to respond to me , please remove the nospam from my email &lt;br /&gt; address. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -&lt;/p&gt;Denis Bradly Burns wrote in message &lt;34ff5851.53879...@nntp.cntfl.com&gt;... &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;
  
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<p>I too have an E28 (1987 535is). I may be mistaken, but it sounds like the <br /> brake sensor is indicating low brake pads. You may want to check them. Also, <br /> there is an E28 specific web page that might be able to help. I don&#8217;t have <br /> the address, but there is another resource that I have found to be quite <br /> helpful. The address is <a href="http://www.bestweb.net/~bretta/brakes.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.bestweb.net/~bretta/brakes.html</a> . Best of <br /> luck, and enjoy your beemer. CHEERS!!  </p>
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<p>Denis Bradly Burns wrote in message &lt;34ff5851.53879&#8230;@nntp.cntfl.com&gt;&#8230; </p>
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  &lt;p&gt;Ok, I may be able to help with this one.... &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I had a brake light indicator come on. &#160;Lifted the trunk and checked all &lt;br /&gt; brake lights. &#160;All were fine, but the dad gum brake light failure indicator &lt;br /&gt; still came on. &#160;Cleaned all contacts with no improvement. &#160;Turned out the be &lt;br /&gt; the high mounted (center mounted brake light on the package shelf) that was &lt;br /&gt; burned out. &#160;Did not see it for the longest time since the trunk lid was &lt;br /&gt; open for me to work on the &quot;real&quot; brake lights. &#160;Boy was my wife glad when &lt;br /&gt; that indicator light finally went out. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Moral: &#160;Check ALL your brake lights. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;don &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -&lt;/p&gt;Denis Bradly Burns wrote in message &lt;34ff5851.53879...@nntp.cntfl.com&gt;... &lt;br /&gt; &gt; I have had an 84 533i for about 3 months now and have thus-far &lt;br /&gt; &gt;enjoyed the car very much, but I have a question. &#160;Since I got the &lt;br /&gt; &gt;car, the brake lamp warning LED in the overhead panel comes on as soon &lt;br /&gt; &gt;as I start the car, and will not reset. &#160;I have not thought that much &lt;br /&gt; &gt;of it (it has become standard for me to hit the &#039;test&#039; button to &lt;br /&gt; &gt;silence the dash flasher as soon as I start the car). &lt;br /&gt; &gt; Then today a headlamp burned out (follow me with this for a &lt;br /&gt; &gt;second...) and I discovered that when you fix a problem, the LED &lt;br /&gt; &gt;*does* in fact go out and not return! &#160;(imagine my suprise!&lt;G&gt;) &lt;br /&gt; &gt;Anyway, my brake lights are working fine, all contacts polished and &lt;br /&gt; &gt;greased. &#160;I have measured the resistance across both bulbs (ie. from &lt;br /&gt; &gt;plate to plate=&lt;5ohms). &lt;br /&gt; &gt; I am looking for anyone who may have wiring diags. or &lt;br /&gt; &gt;information that could tell me how the diag. board senses for the &lt;br /&gt; &gt;problem. &#160;I assume that I have a wiring problem here and am open to &lt;br /&gt; &gt;all sugestions. &#160;Thanx! &lt;br /&gt; &gt; db &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;
  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, I may be able to help with this one&#8230;.  </p>
<p>I had a brake light indicator come on. &nbsp;Lifted the trunk and checked all <br /> brake lights. &nbsp;All were fine, but the dad gum brake light failure indicator <br /> still came on. &nbsp;Cleaned all contacts with no improvement. &nbsp;Turned out the be <br /> the high mounted (center mounted brake light on the package shelf) that was <br /> burned out. &nbsp;Did not see it for the longest time since the trunk lid was <br /> open for me to work on the &quot;real&quot; brake lights. &nbsp;Boy was my wife glad when <br /> that indicator light finally went out.  </p>
<p>Moral: &nbsp;Check ALL your brake lights.  </p>
<p>don  </p>
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<p>Denis Bradly Burns wrote in message &lt;34ff5851.53879&#8230;@nntp.cntfl.com&gt;&#8230; <br /> &gt; I have had an 84 533i for about 3 months now and have thus-far <br /> &gt;enjoyed the car very much, but I have a question. &nbsp;Since I got the <br /> &gt;car, the brake lamp warning LED in the overhead panel comes on as soon <br /> &gt;as I start the car, and will not reset. &nbsp;I have not thought that much <br /> &gt;of it (it has become standard for me to hit the &#8216;test&#8217; button to <br /> &gt;silence the dash flasher as soon as I start the car). <br /> &gt; Then today a headlamp burned out (follow me with this for a <br /> &gt;second&#8230;) and I discovered that when you fix a problem, the LED <br /> &gt;*does* in fact go out and not return! &nbsp;(imagine my suprise!&lt;G&gt;) <br /> &gt;Anyway, my brake lights are working fine, all contacts polished and <br /> &gt;greased. &nbsp;I have measured the resistance across both bulbs (ie. from <br /> &gt;plate to plate=&lt;5ohms). <br /> &gt; I am looking for anyone who may have wiring diags. or <br /> &gt;information that could tell me how the diag. board senses for the <br /> &gt;problem. &nbsp;I assume that I have a wiring problem here and am open to <br /> &gt;all sugestions. &nbsp;Thanx! <br /> &gt; db </p>
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